Court denies appeal over display of Confederate flag in Natchitoches’ 2015 Christmas Festival parade

An appeal in the United State Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit by the Louisiana Division Sons of Confederate Veterans against the City of Natchitoches was denied on July 30. The SCV appealed the district court’s grant of summary judgement dismissing claims that the City, the Historic District Business Association (HDBA) and certain individuals violated the group’s first and fourteenth amendment right of free speech and due process by denying its application to participate in the 2015 Christmas parade.

Natchitoches Mayor Lee Posey had sent a letter to the HDBA Christmas Festival Committee in November of 2015 requesting the display of the Confederate flag be prohibited in the parade. The HDBA then wrote to the SCV, denying its application to participate in the parade.

The SCV, in turn, filed suit in August of 2016 (with several amendments leading up to September of 2017) against the mayor, three City officials, and the HDBA.

In the end, the conclusion was that the SCV failed to raise a material fact dispute on its claims against the City. The mayor was not a final policymaker because he did not control the HDBA’s decision to deny the SCV’s parade application. The SCV’s claims against the HDBA were also barred by the statute of limitations.


34 thoughts on “Court denies appeal over display of Confederate flag in Natchitoches’ 2015 Christmas Festival parade

  1. Back to the article at hand, and away from the state of the United States today. It is history that there were states that succeeded from the United States of America. They were called the Confederate States of America. However, the reason for the war was not over slavery, as there was slavery in both Northern and Southern States. The war started because there were high tariffs on shipping cotton, and the South is where cotton was grown. Please go and read history if you want to know about the Civil War. Yes, there were slave owners who were cruel masters in the South, but not much was mentioned about Northern slave owners. So we don’t really know about them. What I do know, and you can read this yourself online or in books in the library, is that the Civil War was not about Slavery. If you read further, it is known that the first owners of slaves were people in the original colonies. These slaves were brought from Africa on slave ships, and delivered to people who wanted servants. Then the South, needing help on plantations, started buying slaves from the traders, who were primarily from England. I do know in addition that there were still slaves in New Jersey long after President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. So after the slaves were freed in the South, there were still slaves. In my opinion, we do need to know the true history of the Civil War or as some call it, the War Between the States.

    By knowing the true history of the Civil War, and knowing that it was not treason for the states to withdraw from the union, but their right, why can’t there be a compromise. Why must it be one way or the other on the Sons of the Confederacy marching in the parade? Why can’t people meet half-way on this? I can understand the pain of a battle flag since history is all twisted up and slavery is what people latch onto, and not the high tariffs and the unfairness to Southern planters. Why not allow the Sons of the Confederacy to be in the parade, but with the true flag of the Confederate States? Let them march with the likeness of the flag that flew over the Confederate capitol. This would represent the true history of what happened, there was a division in our nation, and should not cause pain. Old Glory could be carried as the symbol that we were made one nation again. It’s history and nothing that should offend or upset anyone. At some point we have to learn that there are differences in beliefs, but that we must learn to live together, accepting the differences that exists among all of us.

    • “It is history that there were states that succeeded from the United States of America.” It was called SECESSION and was an act of rebellion against the federal republic.

      “The war started because there were high tariffs on shipping cotton, and the South is where cotton was grown. Please go and read history if you want to know about the Civil War.” I am a scholar of the Civil War and it was over slavery. YOU read the articles of SECESSION and its over slavery.

      “Northern slave owners.” hahaha the only non-southern states that allowed slavery were Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Delaware. only Delaware is considered a “northern” state.

      You need to read more actual researched materials and learn about this issue.

      • I surely thought New Jersey was a Northern State. I assure Concerned Historian, a scholar of the Civil War, that I did do research. That is how I found out about New Jersey. I ask you, is New Jersey a Northern or Southern state?

        RESEARCH: “A total of 2,909 United States Colored Troops from New Jersey served in the Union Army. Because of the state’s long-term apprenticeship requirements, at the close of the American Civil War, some African Americans in New Jersey remained in bondage. It was not until the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was passed in 1865 that the last 16 slaves in the state were freed.”

        RESEARCH: “Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied only to states that had seceded from the United States, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy (the Southern secessionist states) that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union (United States) military victory.”

        RESEARCH: “The root cause of the American Civil War is perhaps the most controversial topic in American history. Even before the war was over, scholars in the North and South began to analyze and interpret the reasons behind the bloodshed.

        The scholars immediately disagreed over the causes of the war and disagreement persists today. Many maintain that the primary cause of the war was the Southern states’ desire to preserve the institution of slavery. Others minimize slavery and point to other factors, such as taxation or the principle of States’ Rights.

        In 2011, at the outset of the sesquicentennial, a Pew Research Center poll found that Americans were significantly divided on the issue, with 48% saying the war was “mainly about states’ rights,” 38% saying the war was “mainly about slavery,” with the remainder answering “both equally” or “neither/don’t know.”

        RESEARCH: “One method by which to analyze this historical conflict is to focus on primary sources. Every state in the Confederacy issued an “Article of Secession” declaring their break from the Union. Four states went further. Texas, Mississippi, Georgia and South Carolina all issued additional documents, usually referred to as the “Declarations of Causes,” which explain their decision to leave the Union.

        Two major themes emerge in these documents: slavery and states’ rights. All four states strongly defend slavery while making varying claims related to states’ rights. Other grievances, such as economic exploitation and the role of the military, receive limited attention in some of the documents.”

        The force of events moved very quickly upon the election of Lincoln. South Carolina acted first, calling for a convention to secede from the Union. State by state, conventions were held, and the Confederacy was formed.

        Within three months of Lincoln’s election, seven states had seceded from the Union. Just as Springfield, Illinois celebrated the election of its favorite son to the Presidency on November 7, so did Charleston, South Carolina, which did not cast a single vote for him. It knew that the election meant the formation of a new nation. The Charleston Mercury said, “The tea has been thrown overboard, the revolution of 1860 has been initiated.”

        RESEARCH: “Most slaves who were ultimately brought to the Thirteen British colonies—the Eastern seaboard of what later became the United States—were imported from the Caribbean, not directly from Africa. They were taken to the Caribbean islands as a result of the Atlantic slave trade. Indigenous people were also enslaved in the North American colonies, but on a smaller scale, and Indian slavery largely ended in the late eighteenth century although the enslavement of Indigenous people did continue to occur in the Southern states until the Emancipation Proclamation issued by President Abraham Lincoln in 1863. In the English colonies, slave status for Africans became hereditary in the mid-17th century with the passage of colonial laws that defined children born in the colonies as taking the status of the mother, under the principle of partus sequitur ventrem. By the time of the American Revolution, the European colonial powers had embedded chattel slavery for Africans and their descendants throughout the Americas, including the future United States.”

        So, if I made any mistakes in my thoughts on this subject, I apologize. As you can see, I have provided information on the research I found from different online sites, a lot of on Wikipedia, the rest I learned in American History classes in school. So where did you get all your information that makes you the expert? I understand that slavery did enter into the reasons, but it was not the reason the war started. It’s what I believe from my research, but I bow to your expertise, it you really are an expert. I would like to know where you got all of your knowledge? Research? School? Books?

        And just so you know, I know it was called SECESSION. Sometimes iPads and iPhones make corrections you don’t intend them to make, and there is a misspelled word. However I definitely would not have said, “It is history that there were states that SECESSIONED from the United States of America, I don’t that would have been grammatically correct……But then I could be wrong on that, too.

        I thank you for the corrections made from your point of view, but I suggest you study a bit more also.

        There will always be disagreements on the Civil War, the Confederate Flag, and even the events that are happening today. I was merely trying to find a compromise so that each side in the flag dispute would give a little and accomplish a lot. I don’t see anyone else working to find a solution other than “NO FLAG, NO MARCHING IN THE PARADE.”

        • I am a “Civil War” historian as well. I find it pointless to argue with 21st century mindsets when trying to explain 19th century traditions and points of view. Usually I just nod and say okay since one cannot change history, it is what it is.

          Kamala Harris is a VP nominee for one of the major parties. She had ancestors who were slave owners, in Jamaica, I think. A great, great, great grandfather… She cannot be held accountable for something that happened more than a century before she was born. It is history. I mention this only because I see some posts on various blogs and in social media stating this should disqualify her to run…I mean, really?

          There is a lot of “ignorance” in regard to the “Confederate flag.” By ignorance I mean in the true definition of the term, as in “devoid of knowledge.” There were five Confederate flags, as in the Confederacy’s official government and military establishment, and many, many other state flags, unit flags, etc… Most people think of the “battle flag” when they envision a “Confederate flag,” well, actually they don’t, the Navy Jack (and for forts) is the most common version of the flag people think of, and they will erroneously refer to it as “the stars and bars.” Nope. The Navy Jack and the true battle flag bore St. Andrew’s Cross, the same “X” mark found on the British flag, which represents Scotland. The “Stars and Bars” was the First National flag of the CSA.

          I could go on, but then I’d be here all day. Will gladly discuss this period of history or any other as it is a hobby.

    • What you suggested is exactly what Mayor Posey tried to do. He met with several leaders of the SCV and suggested, right or wrong, that the Cross Bars flag had been hijacked by many hate groups such as the KKK and White supremacists. The SCV acknowledged that particular flag had been hijacked by hate groups. The Mayor advised the SCV that the Christmas Parade was supposed to be about love, peace and unity and since 58% of the population of Natchitoches was African American and probably 100% of those individuals found that particular flag to be offensive, why not compromise and the SCV march in uniform , fire their rifles and carry all of the flags they usually march with, with the exception of the Cross Bars. One of the representatives of the SCV stated “ We will not compromise, to compromise is to surrender and we will never surrender.”

      • Robert S., thanks for that information, and I truly hate to hear it. I just wish that people would understand that discussing and coming to an agreement on something is no surrendering, but working together to solve a problem. Obviously, a lot of people in the USA are not understanding that issue, look at the mess in DC these days. Also in many of the cities across America. Hate will never end if we can’t find a way to meet in the middle. What a shame. I wonder, will we ever find peace with one another? What has happened that there is no give and take among people, organizations, politics, schools, and so many other things. What has happened that so many are filled with stubbornness and hate. Stubbornness is ok as long as there are limitations. My son’s favorite saying to was, “Mom, pick your battles. Some bring too much pain with winning.” He was right. I know that they won’t agree with me, but maybe it’s time for the SCV to put the battle flag aside and try to bring a little harmony to the parade, along with a little love, peace and unity. After all, that is supposed to be what Christmas is all about. Others won’s agree with me on this, and that is their right, Christmas begins with Christ. Let’s try, just once, to see if this would work. After all, the Confederate soldiers came through town, not in battle mode, but to save out town from burning to the ground. What better way to honor those men.

  2. To all those previously commenting and additional readers: I was taught, and then taught my many students and personal children: You Do Not Reward Bad Behavior!!! All those who have destroyed property, threatened or taken lives, looted and rioted, burned our American flag, and the Bible, attacked police officers, and tried to overturn the laws of our cities and states, have exhibited very BAD BEHAVIOR! Therefore, we DO NOT reward them by giving in to their demands. When those who are “peacefully protesting” ask to meet and jointly try to resolve the issues of concern, THEN, and only then do we try to come to a mutual agreement to resolve these things. But NEVER should we be giving in to their demands after BAD BEHAVIOR!

  3. Can I ask a question? I don’t understand why people want to fly or display the confederate flag. It must mean something other than “my heritage” or “my rights” but I don’t know what that something is.

  4. What everyone fails to remember or even acknowledge is that all of this unrest is coming from one place. The abundant disrespect coming from the WH. Of course in previous years, decades there have been uprisings, some protests, some riots but not widespread and ongoing like it is today…all steadily increasing since 2015, 2016. This individual has opened the door for all the ugliness in America to come forward front and center. He loves it and Uncle Vladdie wants it. Whatever Vladdie wants, Vladdie gets.. They like nothing better than all the unrest in our country. It can make it so much easier for him to waltz in and be welcomed with open arms. Until we realize that we are playing into their hands, things will not get better. It will remain just like it is. In the last 5 years, my stress and anxiety level has increased as have a lot of people I know. This is a widespread problem. It is a real, classified illness now. We can all “lose it” a little sometimes. I hope everyone can become more civil. We are on this big planet together. Please wear a mask. Stay well.

    • I find it funny so many of you liberals either don’t know history or just choose to ignore it! The liberal teachers and professor’s just ignores it obviously. Like the recent vandalism of the Fighting 54th civil war monument. People just know what they have shoved down their throats by bias liberal media and teaches.
      And if you don’t know who the Fighting 54th were look it up,me telling you won’t do any good. .

    • I am so tired of the libs classifying everything that the president does as being wrong and a detriment to our country. Now it is his fault that there are riots. I beg to differ with you again, Vicki. There have been plenty of times that I disagreed with an action by one president or another, and I did NOT riot. Since when is a person not responsible for their own actions. President Trump did not kill anyone. He did not burn a business to the ground. He is not guilty of the things you are blaming him for. The people who do these things are the guilty ones. Put the blame where it belongs, squarely on the shoulders of the ones who riot and the ones who enable them to riot. In other words the ones who riot, the ones who pay them to cause havoc in the streets, and the ones who say it is not their fault. You are an enabler if you blame anyone other than the ones who are causing the damage. My stress and anxiety levels are high because I’m having to put up with people not accepting that we have a president duly elected, and all they have tried to do during his term is get him out of office. Libs and those like Soros have taken it upon themselves to destroy and then blame it on the president and everyone else but themselves. How about trying to work with him and solve some of the problems in the USA. How about putting the blame for the destruction where it belongs, squarely on people who are destroying the black communities. It is not the conservative people of the USA. You refuse to face the truth, and pull things out of thin air, and you need to stop. I am all for living peacefully, but how can we when things are being burned, people killed in the streets. Murder rates are higher in some cities that they have ever been. Not because of conservatives, its the mobs that say they are fighting for equal rights, but they are not. They are simply looking for an excuse to take their hate out on any and every one. They just want to destroy!! So enough already!

    • Vicki. You mention Putin and President Trump. Can you provide the source of these claims? In response to your accusations, I would think that if you read the entire book: David Limbaugh. “Crimes Against Liberty: An Indictment Against Barak Obama.” you could see what his relationships were with other country leaders. Pay special attention to Chapters 13 titled> The Anti-American. Crimes Against the Nation”, starting on pg 323. Then the next chapter; “Betraying Israel. Crimes Against America’s Ally”. Chapter 14, pg 347. It really would help if you would access the views of those who are well learned and who can extensively document many fact checked, and truth based sources. So many people here have tried to help you become better informed, but you just don’t see.

      • Well said, RN. Information can also be found online. Even Snopes says true that In 2012, President Obama was overheard over a hot microphone telling President Dmitri Medvedev of Russia he would have “more flexibility” to negotiate with Putin after the election.

        A hot microphone picked up President Obama telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev he would have more flexibility to negotiate on issues such as missile defense after the 2012 election.

        As he was leaning toward Medvedev in Seoul, Obama was overheard asking for time — “particularly with missile defense” — until he is in a better position politically to resolve such issues.
        “I understand your message about space,” replied Medvedev, who will hand over the presidency to Putin in May.
        “This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,” Obama said, expressing confidence that he would win a second term.
        “I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” said Medvedev, Putin’s protégé and long considered number two in Moscow’s power structure.

        The exchange, parts of it inaudible, was monitored by a White House pool of television journalists as well as Russian reporters listening live from their press center.

        • Yes, Obama was one anti American in his dealings with foreign countries. I just hope one day Vicki and other Dems would wake up to the truth. After reading 3 of D. Limbaugh’s books , I am stuffed with information of just how bad the situation is with the far left and even some moderate leftists. God bless America.

  5. “The SCV’s claims against the HDBA were also barred by the statute of limitations.”…. hmmmm why did it take so long to make it to the Court?

  6. Our country was settled by people with certain values. That’s right. But we are bound by the Constitution.
    I do but others don’t believe in a higher power. That’s why a Constitution gives one the choice in freedom of religion…or not.

  7. As a young man, my father was drafted into the Wehrmacht. He found for the German army in World War II, so I suppose I could say that the Nazi flag is a part of my cultural heritage. But it’s shameful part of our past and it is now illegal in Germany to fly that flag. Flying the flag of a group that committed treason against the United States is downright ridiculous. It’s likely all of us have ancestors that engaged in ill-considered, illegal, or obscene acts, but we don’t need to commemorate those.

    • Ms Shirley. In 1861 it was not treason for states to succeed from the union. It was the right of those states under a republic. That right still exists for Texas to this day. I’m not sure about other states but Texas did not agree to give up that right. So your supposition of treason doesn’t hold water. Also Germany still doesn’t have the US constitution or Bill of Rights for its citizens to stand on.

      If even one of our rights under the constitution falls, to the cancel culture of today, none of our rights are safe.

      I am assuming, from your comment, that you would like to see the CSA battle flag outlawed in America like the Nazi flag is in Germany. But what a citizen chooses to display is a protected right. It’s called free speech. Even the Nazi flag, as repulsive as it is, can still be displayed here.

      Be offended if you choose but don’t try to force others to give up their freedom to ease your feelings. They have feelings too and the right to express those feelings just as just as much as the next person and everyone should.

      I mean no offense to you nor anyone else. I just believe that everyone has the SAME rights. We can be offended and things that we hold dear may be offensive to others but our ability to express them is what makes America great.

      God bless.

  8. Who and what is next….it’s not this flag that they hate, it’s Old Glory and America in general that these cancel culture leftist want to destroy and ban. This is not a slippery slope this is a swan dive into the Grand Canyon.

    • Liberals are the ones that are inclusive and welcoming, as America used to be. Some Christians have become so hateful. They seem to refuse to accept anyone different or with differing views. They seem to become outraged at anything that goes against their belief. It’s ok to be offended. That’s a natural response.

      • So true. In fact the liberals are so welcoming that if you don’t kneel, even if you’re “a person of color “, for our national anthem during the opening of a sporting event they welcome you with tons of acceptance. They make sure you feel included with their name calling, threats, insults and even call for you to be removed from your job. Don’t agree with the liberal agenda they include you in the racist crowd. Disagree with their values or their choices and you are welcomed into their understanding chorus of foul language. Very understanding and welcoming indeed. Just like America used to be.

        Come on man. At least be honest about it. Someone tried to share their religion with you and you didn’t like it or you heard that Christians will not bend their beliefs to please you. You found out that they believe in something so much that they will not change it because they believe it to be true. Maybe just as much as you believe they are wrong.

        Social acceptance changes all the time just look at how many genders they say we should accept, over 20 at last count with some saying many more. Christians believe there are two and that makes them the bad ones.

        So welcome to a different America. One where opinions are changed with information and reasoning during courteous conversation. Oh, my bad this describes the old America not the screaming, rioting, shaming, burning, my way or no way, America.

        I think your memory of the old America may not be shared with many other people.

        God bless, oh I’m sorry I didn’t mean to offend you.

      • So Vicki, you are saying that liberals are the ones that are inclusive and welcoming. Does that mean that the conservatives are the ones destroying what people have worked their lives to build? I didn’t see conservative actions in that mob burning and looting. Are conservatives the ones murdering people, including children in the streets? I don’t think so. Are conservatives the ones desecrating our flag. No, not the conservatives. And you continue on to say some Christians have become so hateful. What leads you to this conclusion? Because some are coming out of the Silent Majority and standing up to the ones who want to do away with the Bible and Prayer. You are so very wrong as usual. You make claims that have no basis. Christians believe that God taught us love. Jesus loved all, but even he became angry at the money changers and tax collectors in the temple and scattered their money in all directions. Jesus even told the disciples that it was ok to wipe the dust from their feet and be on their way if people would not listen to them. So to me that means it is ok to refuse to accept everything that is ladled out to us as truth by those liberals who want a change that is not based on what the bible says, and since this country was founded on Christian beliefs, then yes, we should stand up against that which is wrong and those who deliver it to us. We should, as Christians, and even good citizens, refuse to accept that which is wrong. It is what makes us, the deplorables, good citizens and the ones who will keep this country from sinking to the depths other countries have sunk when they embraced socialist governments. We stand up for what is right, and yes we do become angry when what we feel is wrong is forced down our throats. We do know right from wrong, and we come down on the side of right.

        When you called some Christians hateful, tell me, have you been in a church lately to know what Christians are really like? You making a statement like that is very similar to you and others playing the race card every time someone disagrees with your tactics. I think you owe an apology to Christians everywhere for your statement, for you did fail to mention the hatefulness of the liberals who are destroying and the liberals who sit in judgment and refuse to even admit that there is destruction going on in this country. I know the difference between peaceful protests and a riot, and so should you, and so should the liberals in DC.

        I am understanding of the pain suffered, but I also see that some things are twisted to cause pain where there was none intended. I personally just want to live in peace with my neighbors in my senior years. There are some who prevent this, and it is not me.

        • MEWHP, you are so very right in all that you say. I agree with you. The liberals and leftist twist things around so much a person can not make sense of most of the things they say.

  9. I’m not African American. I find it very offensive. In high school in Houston, our mascot was the Rebel. We flew the confederate flag. I thought of it for a while back then as a h.s. symbol. But it wasn’t long that I realized how bad a symbol it really is. It is a person’s right to wave it at their home or fly it on their car. I find it offensive when our neighbors do, but it is their right.

  10. This symbol is one in which our former slaves view as offensive. The south fought for keeping slaves and these citizens have asked that we no longer display these symbols in public events. And I am sure it would offend any visitors of color as well. In the name of brotherly love, please accept this decision as an olive branch.

    • I’m a bit confused. Please clarify what you mean when you say “our former slaves”. Also when you refer to “these citizens “. As I’m sure you are aware, with the passing of time there are no longer any former slaves among us. So these citizens cannot be offended if you are referring to the former slaves but there are those that are described as “people of color” as well as some that are not described that way that are offended.

      Olive branch accepted.

      This does open the door for other groups to be offended by any symbols that are present in society today or that may become popular in the future. Currently there are many things being brought to the forefront of current events that are offensive to many citizens, like statues of the Virgin Mary, Jesus and even the US flag.

      This is not an argument for the display of the CSA battle flag nor is it a defense of those that have a right to do so.

      It is, I hope, a signpost alongside a very troubled road that our country is traveling down. There will always be groups of people who are offended by something and the current tactic of some of those people is to tear it down or burn it. This is all well and good if its something you feel is right but once it turns a corner and heads toward something that puts you at odds with the crowd and with the current march heading into so many directions, it will happen.

      So keep your olive branch handy. We are all going to need it. That is if it’s not burned first.

      God bless.

    • Old RN, I do believe you meant the descendants of former slaves. I am a descendant of a poor farmer, no slaves in my family. My family ancestors fought in the Civil War, yes mam, but they fought to protect their small homesteads, the log cabins they had built for their families, for the mule, milk cow and to save the crops they had planted. People always portray the people of the South as mean and cruel and I know there were evil people back then, just as there are today. What I don’t understand is why not one of the people who hate Southerners understand that there were slave owners in the North, even long after President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. That is history. There is no reason to punish everyone in the South for what happened back then. I believe it is time to put the past in the past, and leave it there. We do need to study history, know what happened and use that knowledge to prevent it from happening again.

      What I see now in America is very disturbing to me. People against our way of government are burning our flag. They are destroying things which do not belong to them, and a lot of people are cheering them on. Our flag is being trampled on. Our US flag. People will not salute our flag. They do vile things to show their hatred of it, and they burn it. What are we to do when they object to that flag being flown over buildings, or leading a parade? Will it be the same as the Confederate flag now? I certainly hope not. But as more and more people come into this country illegally, they seem to want to make our country into the country they left but with benefits, and they wave their country’s flag high. Then why are they here? We need to be careful of what we give in to, and be united in what we stand strong against. Do NOT let them make our great nation into what they think will be their utopia, because we all know that place does not exist.

      The olive branch extended is wonderful. Now it is up to all to accept it, come together as “One Nation under God” and stop those who burning, looting and killing. I know it is not all the protestors, but surely there are people who have influence over these who are not just protesting, but are out to destroy. It’s time to find those responsible and put an end to this mayhem. If I burned a building, or shot someone, I would be punished, and so should they receive a just punishment.

      We can live in peace, but the hate must end, on both sides, and in every one. End the gangs, the skinheads, and all who perpetrate violence against others. That is just my take on things, you are entitles to yours, but do not start with the name calling that we so often fall back on when one can’t find a decent solution.

      • Sorry, I did mean descendants of slaves. I just want peace. If we could give in this once, then maybe it will help to ease conflicts. I am a dreamer in trying to unite us as a peaceful country. We have to start somewhere. I am very troubled over liberals who have no idea what they are defending. We are already experiencing liberal socialist”s shoving their agenda on us, and they are trying to destroy us as a country with their illusions of utopia and the hate for Christians and Republicans in their hearts. It shows how little people know about different types of Government and the collapse of Democracy that follows socialism as well as Marxism. I hope the eyes of these liberals will be opened in that BLM and antifa are a beginning of the ultimate destruction of the U S A that they want to pursue. Imagine the scene at Portland of the burning of the US flag and Bibles. Without God on our side we will not continue to exist as a nation. I believe most liberals are anti-christian (anti-Christ). I believe this is a war of good against evil. I believe it is that serious. But still, I hope we can see peace one day here at home in the name of forgiveness, respect and brotherly love.

  11. At least we had a Mayor with a sound mind and heart little do some people know how disgusting it is to look at that flag the feelings it evokes in children of slaves.

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